In the latest Star Trek: Discovery episode, Sylvia Tilly ( Mary Wiseman) was tasked with . Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. Actually, the production team is not helping either. 108 comments so far. Everybody does NOT love Tilly. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. Have to completely agree you T2. The doctor was usually the therapist. Well, the entire point is she absolutely looks the way I expect her to. Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? By: TrekMovie.com Staff Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. Development for the fifth season of Discovery is well underway, with production expected to begin in June. I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. The writing for him is trying in season 1, but from Samaritan Snare onwards I actually think hes kinda endearing and has decent utility. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. She was annoying to me, and the crew gave her a lot of leeway. As far as science fiction most Trek shows have normal looking ppl. Neither were annoying. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. 42 comments so far. Whereas Tilly is an oh shes just like me and validates all my insecurities so its ok to be as I am. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. That sucks, but that is just the way it goes. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. The message she is sending how? Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. Tilly is the product of lazy writing and a lazy showrunner. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. Ive never liked Tilly. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? She is one of the best things about Discovery. She is super meta. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? The frequency and level of mockery and hate, very often is targeted to the female actors, for them to behave like women, to behave as woman leaders. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history He also has emotional intelligence. That could be it. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. Before we move on to SuKal this Thursday, there are still some bits to catch up on from the Terra Firma arc of Star Trek: Discovery. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Im sorry youve had to experience that and I strongly urge you to take what comfort you can from whatever source you can, regardless of how other people feel about that source. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. I would expect more from the Star Trek crowd, which is usually quite enlightened. I think theres room for it. Paramount+'s Star Trek: Discovery is the flagship of the modern-day Star Trek television franchise, premiering in 2017 and about to launch its fourth season on November 18. Shes not going anywhere. Absolutely. Something happened to Tilly (Wiseman) and Bryce (Rowe). By the way, could of isnt English. Theres a little Harley Quinn. Maybe sociological issues? It seems like people like her say: this is me. David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Be sure to watch Mary Wiseman "Killying it" as Ensign Sylvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery. I dont understand this at all. And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Lwaxana sometimes I dont mind her simply because she puts Picard and Odo on their back feet, but she was very OTT on shows that didnt really have a lot of OTT characters, and there was little reason for her to keep appearing on DS9 beyond reverence towards Majel Barrett. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. And if youre able to use that against someone, that could be very, very dangerous. Paradise was most likely referring to the shows production and creative teams. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. Episodes will be. But Im just happy we are talking about Voyager again, especially since this show is basically a spin off of it! Tilly is not a perfect officer. You misunderstood. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. What a surprise. 71 comments so far. Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. 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Body shaming is wrong and immature. Assuming you are American, Im from outside America where it makes a huge difference in how the characters comes across.America is not the world as Morrissey once said. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. But then again Im not a troll. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). Unity? Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. It just really doesnt fit in this show however. None of us are and its okay. Hopefully its . Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Keep up the great work ladies! His Voyager appearances were also horrid. It just happened. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. Sorry TM, its MY fault! Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. Proceed accordingly. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. Tilly should have been introduced as female Barclay or a less extreme version of junior lieutenant Picard in Tapestry (the alternate timeline where his career stalled after avoiding getting stabbed in the heart). The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. Please back up your statement. I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. Samarkand? Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. Shes changed. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. My condolences to you, for your mum. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. It inspired her to switch careers. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. The accent is too colloquial. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. I mean, it was just so fun! Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Bad writing, illogical story arcs, unbalanced tempo, underdeveloped characters or sudden jumps in character development. That promise was. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. Shaming is one thing. And for your own gain, right? After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? Just blows my mind. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. Not holding my breath hes given the job though, especially since we know Saru is coming back. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. All are Trek! When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. Seasons one through three are available to stream now on CBS All Access. GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? She's interviewed several Star Trek . It really doesnt fit in the century they are in. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. When Mary Wisemans Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. all the outfits here are golden IMO but those shoes murder! I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. It took this for me to finally accept who I am. He was a cool character and one of the best things about season 3. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. For people who dont know, it had to do with Voyager leading a fleet of ships going back to the Delta Quadrant a few years after Voyager arrived home.

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