SCREAMS. Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. then one day I realized what it was. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. After 2 murders, a healing process - PressReader Cpl. It was for custody of their grandchild who looked exactly like his father that they moved to the city of their sons killer. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. They watched the legal proceedings grind, infuriating and slow. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. An abridged version of "Dear Zachary" will premiere on CBC Newsworld in Canada on Sunday, October 25th at 10 PM ET/PT. But that is what the Bagbys. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. But of course I didn't. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). Kate said Shirley insisted on keeping Zachary in, the deep pool, which frustrated him because he couldn't move on his own. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, yeah. Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). And you just bought the gun, right? The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. her. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' But as someone else says, Grief is loves unwillingness to let go. So Andrew's father could just as easily be talking about love. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson - SaltWire I dont understand how that can be ignored.. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Click HERE for ticket information. Then, in August 2003, Shirley killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. IMDbPro Starmeter. The 14 Most Upsetting Parts Of Dear Zachary That Broke Your Heart - Ranker People in the audience were literally weeping during the post-screening Q&A." I didn't have. You dont get over it. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. You dont leave it behind. They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. Understood? On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Which is to say, the woman who killed Dr. Andrew Bagby is pregnant with Dr. Andrew Bagbys baby. The album includes "Andrew", the 8 minute concert work Kurt wrote and recorded in Andrew's memory in 2002. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. (Supreme Court building; Shirley being escorted from court; photos of Kate and. How the fuck do you live like that? You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. Memorial University Medical School. Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta will be the bill's sponsor in the Senate, and will shortly be distributing DVDs of "Dear Zachary" to all members of the Senate, just as he and MP Andrews distributed the film to all members of the House of Commons last fall when he introduced the bill. -, "urgent, furiousadmirably well editedthis incredible, well-researched documentary demonstrates the vast gulf one life can leave behind." HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. us around. He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." The memory of that visit is of a crying Zachary being taken away from them. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? October 22, 2009: Dear Zachary is now available on DVD! And that was midafternoon. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? Dear Zachary recently won the Audience Award at the Sidewalk Moving Picture Festival in Birmingham, Alabama! Wait, thats not true, Sophocles came up with it when he wrote Oedipus Rex about a king who unwittingly fulfills a prophecy that foretold he would kill his father and marry his mother, and then pokes out his own eyes because hes in despair and you cant outrun destiny. David Bagby Obituary (2022) - Statesville, NC - Statesville Record Cpl. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. David Bagby David Russell Bagby, 64, of Statesville, passed away Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2022. They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. December 4, 2008: Oh, my God. Office Manager. Jackson, Kentucky. Meeting her at 6. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. Without access, without favor, without discretion, and without interference. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. This report aired Dateline Friday, July 23. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. I only live a block away.' The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. I had a husband I loved. The Bagbys still hold a bitterness when they talk about how they were failed by a legal system that let Turner out on bail and allowed her to retain custody of Zachary. Its a muddled structure, and the film makes frequent aesthetic missteps as well, with frenetic editing, canned music, and heavy-handed imagery. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. Cpl. A review of Turner's and Zachary's deaths, released in 2006 by Winnipeg-based coroner Peter Markesteyn, concluded the provinces social services system failed Zachary and his death could have been prevented. MORRISON: Kurt and Andrew grew up together in Northern California, where the fledgling director gave Andrew starring roles in some of his earliest ventures. But afterwards, all wounded and broken down, you will see the power of the human spirit even in the face of the darkest of souls." Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. August 5, 2008: Blood red screen. You were done. We need each other, have each other to get through this.". But something kept me going, and. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. Complicating things further, she soon announced that she was pregnant with Bagbys child. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. June 2, 2015 - June 2020. Mommy loves you. She. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) His parents don't even know, do they? Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. Zachary, how's our baby today? With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. It comes down to probable cause, the right to bail and the presumption of innocence. It turns out Shirley Jane Turner is pregnant. It has been our privilege to have the trust and support of our East Coast communities for the last 200 years. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. They are prophecies. -. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. Bring lots of kleenex and prepare to be equally angry and emotionally drained as you watch real, so-called justice in action. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. May 16, 2008: a--with a hand grenade in the kitchen with the pin already pulled. While the police investigation was still underway, Turner, a Canadian citizen, packed off to St. Johns, Newfoundland. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? We're churning. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. We. As one friend said, Hes like the blessing Andrew left behind. It was for Zachary that Andrews parents retired, cashed in all their savings and moved from their lifelong home in Pennsylvania to Newfoundland, where Shirley Jane Turner lived. Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. Why? Turner - the son of Andrew Bagby whom she gave birth to after Bagby's death. Family and friends go to extraordinary lengths to honor a legacy of a young man whose trust led to tragedy. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. . but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. That one comes back a lot. Keith Morrison reports. Slamdance Film Festival book signing! The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). When police interviewed the hospital staff Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Well, you don't have to look far.' In the early years, that included David writing a book, Dance With the Devil, about his sons and grandsons murders, and Kuennes documentary. MORRISON: Do you find yourself going back and playing that back in your mind? That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. She called trying to get Andrew when he was here doing a rotation here in California. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. A True-Crime Story That Puts the Victims First | The New Yorker I mean, the best man is really the groom. It brings its own special brand of. "Kurt Kuenne has crafted a documentary that began as a legacy of a friend in the form of a letter to that friend's child, and that is powerful enough to endure as legend. It's great. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. Based on the title alone, it sounds like one of those saccharine documentaries that only the filmmaker and the subject would ever really care about. September 28, 2008: After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson, California If. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? COLLECTOR'S EDITION DIGIPAK only from Oscilloscope Laboratories: And now it's just. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. We. KATE: (Zachary hugging Kate) This is your Uncle Kurt. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. will not hurt Zachary, period. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. And he's like, `I'm not looking for anything serious. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? -, "A 10 out of 10. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. But you will come away believing in people. "One of the best documentaries I have ever seen in my entire life a film that will rock you to your core. They held their breath. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. After the pregnancy came to light, the film became a way to introduce Zachary to his father. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. Kuennes fast-talking exposition, while confusing, seems purposeful, as though the murder were a necessary backstory to be pushed through as quickly as possible in order to get to the heart of the narrative: Andrew Bagbys life and how horrible his death was for those who loved him. Skewed imagery. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. (It was announced, in 2014, that the documentary would be made into a miniseries. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Very, very serious. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. Remember these two things as I go on. Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. Happy Birthday Dr. Andrew Bagby. You should be 49 today. You should be And then we'd do it through the lawyers. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Kuenne is able to capture the true nature of love and dedication in a way I have never seen. Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. Kathryn Schulz, reviewing Making a Murderer recently inThe New Yorker, described howtrue-crime projects can allow for bias to masquerade as objectivity and for people (particularly victims and their families) to be reduced to plot points. This is a huge step forward in the mission Dear Zachary was created to accomplish. substance to it. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. The night was. We send a huge thanks to MP Scott Andrews, his assistant Ken Carter, MP Peter Stoffer, Senator Tommy Banks, his assistant Thrse Gauthier, Gord McIntosh and all those in Parliament who have seen across party lines and supported this bill to honor Andrew & Zachary and help prevent a recurrence of our story. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. 1 Photo. He travelled across the country, and to England, to collect these reminiscences, which reveal Bagby to be a caring physician and a beloved and charismatic goofball. the water. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. iTunes | Amazon Prime Video | Google Play, DEAR ZACHARY ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM NOW AVAILABLE. The bill has added an amendment to Canada's criminal code giving courts the right to refuse bail to someone charged with a serious crime who is deemed a potential danger to children under the age of 18. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. With that kind of goodness, anything is possible. Cpl. Not too long ago? By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. David Bagby. They recorded them. We don't--we don't gush very much. Couldn't be her. David R. Bagby Born: July 2, 1957 in Joliet, IL Died: January 5, 2022 in Statesville, NC David R. Bagby, 64 of Statesville, NC and formerly of Streator passed away Wednesday (January 5,. They were good friends; it was he who Bagby had told about the fatal meeting with Turner beforehand. Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. Such choices make for a disorienting viewing experience, especially if youre accustomed to the conventions of slicker documentaries.

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